A friend once told me she wasn't religious, even though she is prolific in her sharing of the Word of God and pretty quick to judge others who don't live by "The Good Book". Well, a general description of the word "religious" is as follows: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity. I'm thinking she qualifies... not that there's anything wrong with that, but it was a perplexing answer. When I asked another how she came to be of such strong faith, she simply replied - I have to believe there is something better than this. Well that's just sad, never mind perplexing.
The whole subject of religion is perplexing, I've always been curious as to it's origins, why so many people can have blind faith in something or someone they've never technically seen or heard. But even that sentence is tricky. I am not a religious person, so who am I to say what your interpretation of communication with God might be? Indeed, it's a very personal experience or belief. We can't ever know for sure whether there was a divine intervention in any particular situation, and so we are left to interpret in the many ways it's possible with an event, a story, a feeling, an intuition, a healing or a damning, even.
It's absolutely true that religion brings peace of mind and comfort to those who find respite and joy in their faith, in their shared beliefs with fellow worshippers. It gives many a sense of community, a belonging. There is comfort and safety in a belief that there is something greater than us that created and loves us, that is watching over us and will guide us now and when we leave this world one day, as we all do, and hopefully - join another, free of pain and suffering if we earned it. Religion has often given order and moral code where there wasn't any and for some it gives meaning or attempts to make sense of what is sometimes a senseless world.
If I'm being completely honest, when my daughter was in a coma years ago, despite my non-religious status, I visited the hospital chapel daily - knelt before the altar and prayed.. and prayed.. and prayed, that my child up in that ICU hospital bed be saved, be healed, recover. I also complained - why do this to such a good, young, caring soul? Why? I was mad, I was scared, I was begging just in case there is indeed someone listening. What eventually happened was - my daughter recovered. Was it an answering of my prayers? Or good medical care and her own young body's healing ability? Maybe both? We just can't know.
Religion has it's dark side too, of course. There are those who abuse their power because they are a representative of the deity and are adored and obeyed by trusting followers. There are those who justify hideous actions in the name of their God. There are those who use their followers adoration and devotion for profit. Look at the mega churches and the mega mansions they live in. What comes to mind when I see those particulars is... think of all the good that money could have done, instead of these massive shrines and mega mansion lifestyles. Not. very. charitable. A bit hypocritical! Sleezy even. We all know how terr*rists use their religion as an excuse or justification to do some horrible things.
It's absolutely true that religion brings peace of mind and comfort to those who find respite and joy in their faith, in their shared beliefs with fellow worshippers. It gives many a sense of community, a belonging. There is comfort and safety in a belief that there is something greater than us that created and loves us, that is watching over us and will guide us now and when we leave this world one day, as we all do, and hopefully - join another, free of pain and suffering if we earned it. Religion has often given order and moral code where there wasn't any and for some it gives meaning or attempts to make sense of what is sometimes a senseless world.
If I'm being completely honest, when my daughter was in a coma years ago, despite my non-religious status, I visited the hospital chapel daily - knelt before the altar and prayed.. and prayed.. and prayed, that my child up in that ICU hospital bed be saved, be healed, recover. I also complained - why do this to such a good, young, caring soul? Why? I was mad, I was scared, I was begging just in case there is indeed someone listening. What eventually happened was - my daughter recovered. Was it an answering of my prayers? Or good medical care and her own young body's healing ability? Maybe both? We just can't know.
Religion has it's dark side too, of course. There are those who abuse their power because they are a representative of the deity and are adored and obeyed by trusting followers. There are those who justify hideous actions in the name of their God. There are those who use their followers adoration and devotion for profit. Look at the mega churches and the mega mansions they live in. What comes to mind when I see those particulars is... think of all the good that money could have done, instead of these massive shrines and mega mansion lifestyles. Not. very. charitable. A bit hypocritical! Sleezy even. We all know how terr*rists use their religion as an excuse or justification to do some horrible things.
There are approximately 4,200 religions in our World, and that number astounds me. Some share the same basic theories for the most part, others are a different concept all together. If you believe absolutely in just one - then all 4, 199 of the others are just plain wrong?.. doesn't seem right. For me, I've had no trouble believing in evolution. It's proven, how we evolved, beyond a shadow of a scientific doubt. But even with that belief, the concept of the human spirit, the conscience, the soul - has not been explained - and it is truly a miraculous thing, I can't deny it. Sometimes I wish I truly whole heartedly believed that when we die, those who are worthy ( Well, now there's another issue - what determines worthiness? Church attendance? Good deeds? Confessional attendance? Donations? Kindness and charity? ) are united with those we loved who have passed before us, and go on to a heaven to be at peace with those we love and our creator in a pain-free other existence. The hard parts of life would be easier if I had that belief, for sure. But the reality of science and just this feeling that we need to make the most of this life is a bold thread that runs through the fabric of my belief system. I try to do just that, knowing that we simply don't know for sure what comes at the end of mortal life, regardless of our chosen beliefs.
Here's where the concept of religion bothers me. I was raised a Catholic, but I don't practice that religion. I found it to be a bit hypocritical on several fronts and so I choose something different that I'll describe below. I read a very popular blog, and what initially attracted me to it is the incredible journey of a young woman who was severely burned in a plane crash, a small plane her husband had been piloting. An instructor friend died in that crash. Her story of survival and how she has moved on to raise her (now 5) children is powerful. I mention this now because she is a very devout M*rmon and it's a strong theme throughout her blog. In her writing, one can't help but get the sense that the M*rmon faith is more of a cult than anything else. Much is demanded of it's followers. Some very big changes have occurred in the family's life in recent years and she repeatedly refers to decisions they've made as having been sent by God. I went for a walk and God told me selling this house and moving to the ranch was the right thing to do. They did... and eight months later they are moving again, because even their readers could see it was a big mistake from the beginning for so many reasons. When things like this occur, it's described as a test God must have planned and they had to endure, they learned so much, it was part of the plan. I don't know... how about... you made some poor choices, you learned from it, you're moving on. Did God really speak to her and tell her to sell the beloved family home and move to an isolated ranch in literally the middle of nowhere where her kids wouldn't see other humans for days on end, leaving all they knew and loved behind? Did he send a note or was his voice in the air or coming from behind a burning bush on that walk?
I know that sounds harsh - I'm not making fun of her, here - I believe what she wrote is what she believes happened, however she interpreted the "message". But for a person like me, that's not living in reality. Through her writing it's also clear that M*rmons believe only through their way of worship can you live a good and proper life. Her husband once implied (in different words) in an article written for a local paper that a single mom and child was not a real family. The M*rmon church seems to have a lot of demands of their members, and are not warm to the outside. That attitude is probably true of many religions, to be fair.. and I have never practiced it, I don't know all there is to know about being a M*rmon. But I don't find it to be very charitable - and isn't that what religion is supposed to be made of most of the time? One more example... M*rmon worshippers are segregated into wards. Districts, if I understand correctly. If you are a M*rmon you are assigned to a ward, and you are expected to go to that temple, even if there is one a heck of a lot closer to your home that you would prefer. If you weren't assigned to that closer temple - you're not supposed to go there. The members will let you know that you are not welcome if you start to make it a habit. Stay in your Ward. Again - not .. very.. charitable. So much of organized religion is about control.
There are those who say our current President brought God back into the White House. Well.. if the reason behind that thinking is because he now claims to be pro-life, anti-abortion - Let it be known that until he decided to run on the Republican ticket, he was pro-choice for 69 years. The flip was just another tool, another lie he used to get to where he is. He knew what his base wanted to hear. If all his lies since election day, if his three marriages and many affairs and pussy grabbing lingo and mega-ego aren't enough of an indication that God did not send D.Tr*mp to the White House, well I'm stumped as to how that conclusion was drawn. Enough said on that subject.
Then there is my friend, Vicky - who endures living with Stage 4 Breast Cancer. Her faith is unwavering, and she finds much courage and strength in her beliefs. I find her references to her beliefs uplifting, encouraging. It gets her through some very hard things, some very difficult days and nights - there's no denying the power of prayer and a strong faith that brings much to her life, and many others. She's still here, longer than was expected.. and I do believe her faith has something to do with that. I hope with all my heart she eventually resides in the Heaven she so deserves and we all hope for.
So where does that leave me? I call myself a spiritual person, and even that description has different interpretations. For me it means I live and feel connected to and am responsible for the care and keeping of myself, my people and the natural world. I feel connected to all people of this world and I try to leave things better than I found them. I exercise kindness to others and charity where I can afford to give it. I don't always get it right, but I right the wrongs and move forward. If there is a God, hopefully he is not as impressed with weekly pew sitters, some of whom live hypocritically once they leave the church on Sunday, as he is with those out there doing what they can where they can for the betterment of this world. Hopefully there is a heaven where I may some day be reunited with all those I've loved, family, friends and animals. And if there is not, I'm doing the best I can where I am now, here among the living.
I know this is a difficult and sometimes offensive subject because there are so many beliefs and they are often strongly held. I welcome your views, similar or differing, if you would like to join in the conversation. Respectful conversation and an open mind, especially when opinions differ, are how we learn and grow, so I will always encourage the practice. The above is just my opinion and how I choose to live and share my life. By no means do I think I have all the answers.
Thank you for stopping by -
Here's where the concept of religion bothers me. I was raised a Catholic, but I don't practice that religion. I found it to be a bit hypocritical on several fronts and so I choose something different that I'll describe below. I read a very popular blog, and what initially attracted me to it is the incredible journey of a young woman who was severely burned in a plane crash, a small plane her husband had been piloting. An instructor friend died in that crash. Her story of survival and how she has moved on to raise her (now 5) children is powerful. I mention this now because she is a very devout M*rmon and it's a strong theme throughout her blog. In her writing, one can't help but get the sense that the M*rmon faith is more of a cult than anything else. Much is demanded of it's followers. Some very big changes have occurred in the family's life in recent years and she repeatedly refers to decisions they've made as having been sent by God. I went for a walk and God told me selling this house and moving to the ranch was the right thing to do. They did... and eight months later they are moving again, because even their readers could see it was a big mistake from the beginning for so many reasons. When things like this occur, it's described as a test God must have planned and they had to endure, they learned so much, it was part of the plan. I don't know... how about... you made some poor choices, you learned from it, you're moving on. Did God really speak to her and tell her to sell the beloved family home and move to an isolated ranch in literally the middle of nowhere where her kids wouldn't see other humans for days on end, leaving all they knew and loved behind? Did he send a note or was his voice in the air or coming from behind a burning bush on that walk?
I know that sounds harsh - I'm not making fun of her, here - I believe what she wrote is what she believes happened, however she interpreted the "message". But for a person like me, that's not living in reality. Through her writing it's also clear that M*rmons believe only through their way of worship can you live a good and proper life. Her husband once implied (in different words) in an article written for a local paper that a single mom and child was not a real family. The M*rmon church seems to have a lot of demands of their members, and are not warm to the outside. That attitude is probably true of many religions, to be fair.. and I have never practiced it, I don't know all there is to know about being a M*rmon. But I don't find it to be very charitable - and isn't that what religion is supposed to be made of most of the time? One more example... M*rmon worshippers are segregated into wards. Districts, if I understand correctly. If you are a M*rmon you are assigned to a ward, and you are expected to go to that temple, even if there is one a heck of a lot closer to your home that you would prefer. If you weren't assigned to that closer temple - you're not supposed to go there. The members will let you know that you are not welcome if you start to make it a habit. Stay in your Ward. Again - not .. very.. charitable. So much of organized religion is about control.
There are those who say our current President brought God back into the White House. Well.. if the reason behind that thinking is because he now claims to be pro-life, anti-abortion - Let it be known that until he decided to run on the Republican ticket, he was pro-choice for 69 years. The flip was just another tool, another lie he used to get to where he is. He knew what his base wanted to hear. If all his lies since election day, if his three marriages and many affairs and pussy grabbing lingo and mega-ego aren't enough of an indication that God did not send D.Tr*mp to the White House, well I'm stumped as to how that conclusion was drawn. Enough said on that subject.
Then there is my friend, Vicky - who endures living with Stage 4 Breast Cancer. Her faith is unwavering, and she finds much courage and strength in her beliefs. I find her references to her beliefs uplifting, encouraging. It gets her through some very hard things, some very difficult days and nights - there's no denying the power of prayer and a strong faith that brings much to her life, and many others. She's still here, longer than was expected.. and I do believe her faith has something to do with that. I hope with all my heart she eventually resides in the Heaven she so deserves and we all hope for.
So where does that leave me? I call myself a spiritual person, and even that description has different interpretations. For me it means I live and feel connected to and am responsible for the care and keeping of myself, my people and the natural world. I feel connected to all people of this world and I try to leave things better than I found them. I exercise kindness to others and charity where I can afford to give it. I don't always get it right, but I right the wrongs and move forward. If there is a God, hopefully he is not as impressed with weekly pew sitters, some of whom live hypocritically once they leave the church on Sunday, as he is with those out there doing what they can where they can for the betterment of this world. Hopefully there is a heaven where I may some day be reunited with all those I've loved, family, friends and animals. And if there is not, I'm doing the best I can where I am now, here among the living.
I know this is a difficult and sometimes offensive subject because there are so many beliefs and they are often strongly held. I welcome your views, similar or differing, if you would like to join in the conversation. Respectful conversation and an open mind, especially when opinions differ, are how we learn and grow, so I will always encourage the practice. The above is just my opinion and how I choose to live and share my life. By no means do I think I have all the answers.
Thank you for stopping by -
I believe, I have always believed, don't get me wrong, I've had my doubts like everyone else. I'm born into the Lutheran religion, part of the ELCA synod. I still attend the same church I was baptized in. I love my church, because it isn't strict, or condescending to others, its welcoming, the environment allows for hard questions, and is accepting. I think that makes it easier to be a believer, some religions/congregations take on a holier than thou attitude, that one religion is better than others, I believe that Jesus died on that cross for my sins and yours, but I don't think that having that belief makes me better than anyone with different beliefs. Granted, there are religions that terrify me. My personal take on it, if the world would be a great place if we just agreed on the Golden Rule and lived by it. Karen, I think you already live the life He would want you to, you are kind and compassionate to others, while living a life that leads by example. Love your blog, always love that you take on the hard stuff head on.
ReplyDeleteThis is so interesting, Karen. You write so well, and give us something to think about. It's difficult for me to explain why I believe the way I do. First of all, the two women who had the most influence on my life; my grandmother believed in predestination; that God preordained what was to happen. My mother was a believer in Christian Science that was started by Mary Baker Eddy who taught that you need to take care of your own faults rather than pointing out the faults of others. I do believe those words, but other than that, I was confused by her teachings.
ReplyDeleteWhen I look back now, I can see where as a child I was heavily burdened and looking for a way to lessen those feelings. I really can't remember how it came that I attended the Methodist church in our little town. Probably went with a friend. However, after I had gone to the church for a while which I enjoyed so much; honesty would have me say it was the fellowship of other kids, the singing especially. One morning in church when I was 13, I walked down to the altar and asked Jesus to come into my heart. A day I'll never forget even though I found myself crying and being the shy girl I was, I was also embarrassed. But, I am forever grateful that I was lead in that direction; to His word.
I remember one time, at a church baseball game, I heard the minister who had been struck out say "damn", and I guess I gave him a look that said "I can't believe you said that" to which he responded "Sally, even minister's are human". :)
Although I have fallen so many, many times short of His word, and sinned, I do believe in God. I don't think I would still be here if not for Him. I'm also a strong believer that we should treat others the way we'd like to be treated, which as you know is one of the Ten Commandants. Since I've known you, I know you feel the same and that's just one of the reasons I like/love you.
Not sure what I've said makes sense, but then you know I'm always worried about how I come across. I simply love this post!
xoxo
ReplyDeleteCindy - I love your comment, and yours is a perfect example of how religion enriches a life. You hit a nail right on the head as you describe your church as welcoming, not condescending to others, allows the hard questions, and is accepting. That holier than thou attitude seen in some religions is such a turn off.
Thank you so much for your input, and your kind words.
ReplyDeleteSally - your comment makes perfect sense - and like Cindy above, it demonstrates the good side of "believing". You express so well how it has brought you great comfort and guides you. I've never heard of Mary Baker Eddy, but I agree with that statement 100 percent. I'll have to google - thank you for joining in!
Oh boy, this topic sure opens a can of worms for sure! Even more so than politics. :)
ReplyDeleteI've always (or most always) had a strong sense of, and belief in the Creator, our Father in heaven. And I'm about as imperfect as a human can be. That is the very reason I choose to hold my faith near and why I so very much need an intercessor on my behalf. I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, sent to earth to die for the sins of mankind and was risen again (overcame death). He will be our "attorney" if you will, in heaven. He will stand for us and defend our belief. My faith gives me unimaginable peace which I can't explain, and that gives me strength and endurance to keep going no matter how rough life can get. I attend the Seventh Day Adventist church and love my church's beliefs and the people I've come to know there. But because we're a church filled with human beings, we're a church filled with imperfect sinners in need of a Savior. We make the same mistakes everybody else does. We all do. It's our human nature, we gravitate towards sin. The devil is to blame for that, the destroyer, liar, great deceiver. he is the ruler of this world. Above everything else, Jesus tells us to love one another - the greatest of all the commandments, and to love Him, because He first loved us. When it's all said and done, Jesus will judge our hearts. We don't know the "whys" of people's behaviors, but God does. I try not to judge others, but it's almost impossible. And yes, I have murderous thoughts sometimes about the horrible atrocities some people do to others - animals included. There's nothing wrong with being angry, it's called righteous justification, when it's something so horrible, we all know it. The sin becomes when we act out on those thoughts. And yes, sometimes I do. I try to take matters into my hands and punish people for their deeds. That is not right, nor my right to take vengeance. That's God's job and each one will pay for what they've done in their lives. Above all Karen, ultimately we all (I hope) do our best to be kind and loving people. I take great comfort in believing that Jesus will judge our hearts, our intentions, not just our hasty actions. And like the others have mentioned, the golden rule prevails..."Treat others as you would like to be treated". My understanding is that's exactly how life works in heaven - the opposite it is here on earth. As usual, a very interesting discussion. Thanks.
In my opinion, all religions began as cults. I include Christianity in that assessment.
ReplyDeleteIn my other life, I found Al Anon, which saved me and helped me navigate living with an alcoholic, and finally finding the strength to get away from him........I was introduced to the "God of my understanding". That has served me well since.
ReplyDeleteMy religious views can best be described as "deist". If you are interested, read the small book, Common Sense, by Thomas Paine....he says it best.
But in short, deism says that God created us, gave us everything we need to be good, and prosper, and then he took his hands off us........and does not interfere, ever. Which explains a lot.
I grew up in a non-religious household as an Air Force Brat, with friends of a variety of religious beliefs. It has left me as an open minded adult who now lives in a very religious conformist small town. I don't conform, but listen to people (on a daily basis) espouse religious beliefs. Mostly I find them rather judgmental. I don't think our current president is a religious person at all. I think he uses it for votes.
ReplyDeleteHi Karen.
ReplyDeleteI so enjoyed this post. I too believe in evolution but I believe that a higher deity may have given us a soul and I dearly hope when my time in this body is done that I will join my family and all the pets of my life in an afterlife
My mother's family were generation upon generation of German Lutherans. My father's family were generation upon generation of Italian Roman Catholics. After their marriage (in a Catholic chapel because my father's family would not attend otherwise), my mother raised her three children as Protestants while my father, the most Christian man I've ever known, became a "fallen Catholic."
Religion is a difficult topic when, much like politics, it divides a household or a friendship. I have lost a very close, very longtime friendship to a mega-church. So for me, I will give a wide berth to those who would try to persuade me over to "their side" whether it be political or religious and like you, just try to be a good and earnest person.
I don't know if there is a higher being who cares what we do. I am not arrogant enough to say that I know there isn't. What I am fairly certain of is there are truly good and kind people, wise people, even spiritual people. They are not always connected to a specific church. They are sometimes just what I consider myself, a humanist. I believe that if you are not kind in your thinking or actions you are not worthy of any god or religion. I also believe in the wisdom of the following Chinese saying: He who knows does not know. He who knows that he does not know, knows.
ReplyDeleteThe best any of us can do is make someone feel good each day and leave the world in some small way a better place than we found it.
I read your post late last night . . . .
ReplyDeleteand decided I needed some time to try and articulate where I am in this
“religious discussion” . . , Here it is early morning, awakening, and still pondering.
Your post was a refreshing twist . . .
I appreciated your thoughts, words, passion, zest . . . spirituality . . .
And I might had . . . to have a world leader, professing holier than though “whatever’s” and lying in the same breath . . .
how can that be, how have we arrived at such ignorance . . , manipulation!
I have not been able to understand how someone could be so assured in “their faith”
that they give their entire self away . . . in the process.
Having said that . . . I have sometimes wished I could do so.
I have asked myself . . . do I lack “trust” . . .
answering self, “it has nothing to do with my trust . . .
Maybe I am of a simple sort . .
I hold honesty, kindness, peace, compassion, regard, care, laughter . . . as my striving for . . .
and it seems to speak to my spirituality . . .
There is something arrogant . . . . for me . . . in attesting to the “I know . . . HE is the One.”
I liked the Chinese proverb above . . . “He who knows, does not know. He who knows that he does not know, knows”
(Isn’t that a great thought.)
I too have followed along with the young mother, severely burned in an airplane crash . . .
her husband, five delicious, lovely children . . . and wonder . . . what is going on . . .
and hoping for the best . . .
Not sure if I have added much . . enjoyed the process though . . .
Thank you Karen for your transparency . . .
I so do love visiting you . . .
love
lynne and
Not sure where that word (and) came from after my name . . .
ReplyDeleteMaking mistakes now and again . . . keeps me real!
And ADD instead of had . . .
ReplyDeleteOh my!
You are so honest & clear in your writing Karen. As for what I believe, if people ask me I will tell them but I would rather live what I believe and let my actions speak for themselves. I do know that I was simply born with this faith, always had it even as a small child. I respect and honor the kindness and love in everyone. You especially! ~ R
ReplyDeleteLast year when my sister was dying of cancer, I asked her to give me a sign when she had passed that she lives on and is O.K. She said she will come back as a bird of prey... no shrinking violet my sister! About 3 months after she died, I was hiking and stopped and asked her how come in the 3 months she has not come to me. Literally, at that moment an owl came and landed on a tree branch directly above my head and just looked down at me. This was during the day, not at night.
ReplyDeleteI laughed, my sister loved owls and had lots of decorative owls in her home.
A few days later her son, in his 20's and a self described atheist, came home from work in the evening. He lives alone in a house in a very large city. He sent me a text with a picture of an owl sitting on top of his ceiling fan... I had not told him of my own owl encounter. He kept asking how did it get in my locked house?
I was not raised with religion, but have beliefs similar to yours. Needless to say, I now have no doubt that there is life after this time on earth.
I'm an RN and have been working in a clinic as a diabetes educator. This whole experience has changed my outlook on life. In 2 weeks I am starting a new job as a Hospice Nurse. We all will die and now I no longer fear that transition.
BTW, I really enjoy your blog Karen. You always keep it interesting and like my sister, you are no shrinking violet!
I read and read....what you wrote and the comments too. Lots of good points and interesting points of view to ponder. I have had strong beliefs for many years but I will say that over the years they have changed. Change....always have an open mind to new truths. That's my contribution to this conversation. Thanks for sharing and opening up the discussion, Karen! I'm happy to have you for a friend. Hugs, Diane
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw this mentioned in your post (the one about Elsie) I had to visit to see what you and others had to say. I am overwhelmed by the thought and time people have put into their comments. This relates to a discussion a good friend and I have been having of late so it is top-of-mind.
ReplyDeleteFirst off, who really knows who's right or wrong -- it's all a matter of faith (and by that, I don't mean religious faith, just faith, like the sun will come up in the morning unless it is raining.) So right or wrong can come off of the table.
I was raised Congregationalist, which is about as loose as it goes Protestant-wise. And it was fine. But it was still more structured than I am. I've studied a lot of the world's religions, not in depth but with good awareness and I have come to realize that I am a bit of many. (I have been told this is a cop-out because I don't want to affiliate with any one church. I don't believe that.)
I believe in God/higher power/great creator but I also believe in science. I believe in prayer and love. I believe that we are all children of God and as such, we should live with the principles of love, tolerance and compassion. I get frustrated when I hear someone say they are a good Christian and yet they put down people, they don't see beyond their own world. I believe that kind of faith corrupts and that a perfectly beautiful word and concept has been co-opted in such a way that it makes it tough for others to say they are Christian as well.
I pray regularly. But then, I believe our thoughts are prayers and we are always praying -- that was a line from a hymm at a fellowship I attended for awhile and it has stuck.
And, I believe that in hearing others' perspective on faith and religion in the way that you have opened here, can open doors. So thank you for this post.